Editing Talk:United Kingdom (section)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2024 ==

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In the phrase: "Other major cities include Birmingham, Liverpool, Nottingham, Sheffield, Bristol, Glasgow and Leicester." I would definitely include Manchester. You may argue whether Manchester or Birmingham should be regarded the UK's second city, but for example: Manchester Airport is the busiest UK airport outside London [[Special:Contributions/89.242.197.200|89.242.197.200]] ([[User talk:89.242.197.200|talk]]) 17:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:Based on the citation, I presume the original author intended to use population as a measure of "majorness". If following that vein, Edinburgh, Leeds, and Cardiff would have to be listed before Manchester, but clearly that would unnecessarily bloat the lead. Of course, we could devise some alternative standard of deciding which cities to include, but [[WP:SHED|is this really that important]]? [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 20:35, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
::This goes back to the old problem of how to define a "city" - in Britain (and elsewhere) administrative boundaries rarely coincide with contiguously built-up urban areas. The cited source seems to use a strange (and unexplained) definition - the population figure for Manchester is much lower than that in any other definition I have seen.  Outside London, most would consider the largest or most important British cities to include Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds and Glasgow - see [https://citymonitor.ai/environment/infrastructure/where-are-largest-cities-britain-1404 this source] for instance - with places like Liverpool, Sheffield, Newcastle, Leicester, Bristol, Cardiff and Edinburgh at the next tier.  But, definitions will vary.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 21:00, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
:::The novel source should be removed from the lead, and the lead should follow the body. Currently, the body text does not bother with cities, with the only coverage being a template. That said, the template in question looks at urban areas and lists Manchester as second. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 01:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
::::I agree with CMD. But if we are to get into a decision about which places might merit a mention, in my opinion we should do it based on notability not population - i.e. which cities are more prominently / more frequently mentioned by reliable sources? That gets us away from the whole boundaries/population thing (but potentially opens a different can of worms). [[User:Waggers|<b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b  style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b>]][[User talk:Waggers|<small  style="color:#080">''TALK''</small>]] 09:17, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think that one problem is that, given that we mention Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast as capitals, it would seem a little odd not to mention some of the other cities that are larger and in many respects more significant internationally.  Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow stand out for me.  But, they should be mentioned in the main text as well, and they need to be included based on defensible criteria and reliable sources.  [[User:Ghmyrtle|Ghmyrtle]] ([[User talk:Ghmyrtle|talk]]) 09:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
::Yes it is important [[User:Depotadore|Depotadore]] ([[User talk:Depotadore|talk]]) 15:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)